Red Velvet Cupcakes with Vanilla Bean Cream Cheese Frosting55

Posted by chockylit in Chocolate, Science Experiment (Sunday October 2, 2005 at 4:38 pm)

I compared about 8 existing recipes for red velvet cake and found the following:

  • some are vanilla cakes with red food coloring and most are chocolate with red food coloring
  • all of the chocolate red velvet recipes use cocoa as opposed to melted chocolate and most have very little cocoa in them (probably to maintain the red coloring)
  • most use cake flour
  • some use oil and some butter
  • all use buttermilk, vinegar and red food coloring
  • as far as chemical leaveners go, some use baking powder (acidic and akaline components), most baking soda (alkaline), and two use both (more on chemical leaveners below)
  • all have the usual suspects in similar quantities: sugar, eggs, salt, vanilla

For my first attempt I decided to go with

  • cake flour for delicate crumb
  • cocoa for a chocolaty taste
  • butter for better flavor
  • a base batch, divided into three to test variation in chemical leaveners (resulting recipe is for what I deemed the best option)

I made a 1-1/2 batch so I would yield 36 cupcakes as opposed to the usual 24.

The result… well, the cupcakes tasted fine, had a nice texture, but were rather plain (were it not for the frosting). The cocoa taste was not discernable and I recommend increasing the quantity in the recipe. If I were to test the recipe again, I would increase the cocoa by 50% and 100% and check the results. I doubt I will test it again, however, as the novelty of red batter isn’t interesting enough to distract me from other recipes I want to try.

Cupcakes
makes 36 cupcakes / 350 degree oven

3-3/4 cups cake flour
1/4 cups cocoa
1-1/2 teaspoons baking soda
1-1/2 teaspoons baking powder or 1/2 teaspoon cream of tarter
3/8 teaspoon salt
1-1/2 cups buttermilk
3 teaspoons vinegar
1-1/2 teaspoons vanilla
1/2 ounce red food coloring paste
2-1/4 cups sugar
3/4 cups butter
3 eggs

  1. preheat oven to 350°F
  2. sift flour, cocoa powder, baking soda, baking powder (or cream of tarter), and salt into medium bowl
  3. whisk buttermilk, vinegar, vanilla, and food coloring in small bowl to blend
  4. beat sugar and butter in large bowl until well fluffy, 3 minutes
  5. add eggs 1 at a time, beating until well blended after each addition, about 30 seconds
  6. beat in dry ingredients in 4 additions alternately with buttermilk mixture in 3 additions
  7. scoop into cupcake tins
  8. bake cupcakes until tester inserted into center comes out clean, about 20 minutes
  9. cool in pans 10 minutes
  10. cool completely on racks

Vanilla Bean Cream Cheese Frosting

12 ounces or 1-1/2 packages of Philly cream cheese
1/2 stick butter
4-5 cups sifted powdered sugar
seeds of 1/2 vanilla bean
1 teaspoon vanilla extract

  1. bring cheese and butter to room temperature by letting it sit out for 1 or 2 hours
  2. sift powdered sugar into a bowl or onto parchment
  3. beat butter and cheese at medium speed until creamy
  4. add 4 cups of the sugar and beat until combined
  5. add vanillas and beat until combined
  6. add more sugar until you get to the consistency and sweetness you like

Pastillage Shapes

1 packages gelatin
1/2 cup water
2 tablespoons light corn syrup
~5 cups powdered sugar

  1. prepare a clean work surface by spraying with water and then covering in a bit of powdered sugar
  2. in a small saucepan, sprinkle gelatin over the water and let sit for 3 minutes
  3. add corn syrup and stir to combine, heat over medium heat stirring constantly until gelatin is dissolved, about 12 minutes
  4. add 3 cups of the powdered sugar to the bowl of an electric mixer
  5. at lowest setting, drizzle in all of the heated mixture
  6. increase speed of mixer to combine
  7. start to add more powdered sugar until the mixture gets stiff
  8. you will need to transfer to the prepared work surface to finish needing by hand, you may also choose to need in powdered food coloring
  9. add sugar or water as needed to get a smooth consistency, its like needing pasta dough – you want a similar consistency
  10. once it is nice and smooth, divide it up for as much as you need and wrap the remainder in plastic wrap and store in an airtight container for up to 12 months
  11. scrape down work surface for rolling, dust surface and rolling pin with corn starch, roll out pastillage as thin as you can get it
  12. cut out shapes with whatever small cutters you have
  13. set aside on parchment to dry

This will make a lot of pastillage, I used 1/4 of it to make more than enough shapes for 36 cupcakes. Given it lasts so long, doesn’t hurt to have extra. A note on coloring, needing in powdered food coloring gives a nice matt look or you can paint it on for some variation in color.

Assembly

  1. pipe a swirl of cream cheese frosting on each cooled cupcake
  2. top with a pastillage shape

Chemical Leaveners and Anthocyanins
Occasionally the chemical engineer in me rears its nerdy head, like it did this weekend. I got to thinking about the baking soda versus powder versus both and was led down a trail past anthocyanins and essentially to the question of how does pH effect the end product.

Chemical leaveners when used correctly react with other compounds to release carbon dioxide gas which will cause the cake to rise. They are often “double acting” – would say so on the packaging – meaning they react when added to the batter and release some gas bubbles, then there is a second reaction later on which cause the release gas bubbles to expand.

* Baking soda is alkaline and requires acidic compounds to react with it. These can be yogurt or sour milk.
* Baking powder contains baking soda and acidic salt crystals. It basically contains what it needs to cause the chemical reaction and produce carbon dioxide.

In the case of this recipe, there is buttermilk and vinegar (both acidic) which will react the baking soda. Baking powder should not be necessary – in theory. There are also theories that the acidic compounds react with cocoa (or the anthocyanins in cocoa) to turn the batter reddish-brown, but I read here that it is a scientific myth.

I looked into anthocyanins and indeed they do need an acidic environment to be red, but I was tending to agree with the first article that there aren’t enough of them in the chocolate for it to really matter. I looked into it some. This article says that quantities are “high” in green tea and chocolate, which this article confirms, but it also adds that processing causes the anthocyanins to convert to quinones which then further react and result in brown-colored compounds. So, I suspected that any change in pH wouldn’t really make a difference in color, plus I was planning on adding food coloring.

So, I started with a base batter with just baking soda and then divided it into three and added baking powder to one and cream of tarter to the other (note: cream of tarter (acid) + baking soda can be used a substitute for baking powder).


baking soda only


baking soda and cream of tarter


baking soda and baking powder

The baking soda-only batch definitely looked the worst, but there wasn’t a noticeable taste or color difference amongst the three. The other two versions were pretty darn close, hence why I suggested baking powder or cream of tarter. In theory, you could use baking powder only, but I didn’t test that option.

55 comments for Red Velvet Cupcakes with Vanilla Bean Cream Cheese Frosting »

  1. cool pictures baby! especially that first one

    Comment by eye pupeechoolo — October 3, 2005 @ 9:38 am

  2. thanks :)

    Comment by chockylit — October 3, 2005 @ 9:42 am

  3. yum! we like ours with a lot of chocolate. they are not always the most red, but they are tasty!

    Comment by Rachel — October 3, 2005 @ 1:25 pm

  4. Thank you for the nerdy diversion – I think more bakers should think about and know these kinds of things! Your photography is also very lovely.

    Comment by Kristen — October 3, 2005 @ 1:57 pm

  5. How have I not found your website until now?!?

    You have amazing photos. I love your creativity matched with scientific endeavour! I’m in total awe of your creations and your stunning photographs as well (and you take amazing pictures while you’re cooking as well!)

    Comment by augustusgloop — October 3, 2005 @ 11:29 pm

  6. Love your site! Most recently, I loved the ice cream cone cupcakes. Very cute. I have a question, can you recommend a good frosting for cupcakes that you take to a picnic where they may sit out for a while unrefridgerated? I dont want a runny frosting. Thanks!

    jpcpbah AT gmail.com

    Comment by alfredsmom — October 4, 2005 @ 7:47 am

  7. I find that stiff buttercream with its high sugar content, can sit out for some time without getting runny or spoiling. Even better is to make them the day before, refrigerate, then bring them to the picnic… They should be well set at that point.

    Comment by chockylit — October 4, 2005 @ 8:41 am

  8. oh now, I feel like a celebrity, since youve gone and answered my request and now I have something to go on – although will definetly add more chocolate as Im that kind of girl

    and even more – you put science to work – I feel honored to have found such a wonderful blog that combines cooking and science – I too have a chemistry degree

    thanks again!

    Comment by Addie — October 4, 2005 @ 1:11 pm

  9. Chockylit, I just posted about this super write up of yours! I love this type of post and thank you heartily for your info! Love that you go through the trouble of not only explaining (like I usually do) but also shwoing the effects of what you’re explaining. Excellent!

    Comment by chronicler — October 4, 2005 @ 4:00 pm

  10. wow, not only do you have time to cook amazing creations, you also answer questions!!!! what a superstar :)
    i am cooking cupcakes for a tower for my brothers wedding, all the recipes i have tested either sink in the middle, or are nearly flat…i am looking for some choc recipes that have a lovely dome effect. i am hoping to have thin layer of fondant then heart shapes on topo, but after seeing your frosting, i might try that first.

    do u have any suggestions? they prefer a moist chewy/dense sort of cake, not a fluffy one?

    Comment by mandy — October 6, 2005 @ 12:42 am

  11. I really like the way you piped the frosting on these. They look fab. What sort of tip did you use?

    Comment by Lindsey — October 6, 2005 @ 10:31 am

  12. Lindsey, I used the big plain tip in this picture, http://www.flickr.com/photos/chockylit/48794096/in/set-180812/. Kasier 13-mm I think.

    Comment by chockylit — October 6, 2005 @ 11:55 am

  13. I love your blog. Not only the recipes but the way you go about them. I love cupcakes but my frosting/icing technique is poor.

    Comment by valentinajacome — October 6, 2005 @ 6:07 pm

  14. Thank you for taking the time to explain leaveners. I worked at a place last year where we made our own baking powder (cream of tartar+ baking soda.) The results were markedly different.

    The original red velvet cake was the original devil’s food cake but with very poor cocoa, hence the chemical reaction you describe. I agree that the novelty is not worth it for me.

    the reason I have seen for the use of BS and BP to be used together is when BS will not give enough rise. It’s not as strong as BP.

    Great blog, I will start visiting more often!

    Comment by shuna fish lydon — October 6, 2005 @ 9:51 pm

  15. I love your site and appericiate you sharing your recipes in such an understandable way but I must ask something completely unrelated-how do you make those tiny flowers thingies beside the things you write? :) Please share!

    Yael.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 7, 2005 @ 9:13 am

  16. Yum, what a truly inspiring baking blog. I will start visiting more often.

    Comment by nosheteria — October 7, 2005 @ 9:15 am

  17. Thanks for the nerdy excerpt! Always great to learn more about ingredients and their purposes etc. I’ve never had a red velvet cupcake so I will probably try soon just to see how it tastes. Couldn’t help but notice your pretty yellow KitchenAid and your CCA-logo (apron/shirt)? Did you take the B&P program there? Hope I’m not being too intrusive.

    Comment by Mel — October 8, 2005 @ 8:36 am

  18. I apologize, I just saw your website and read that you are taking classes at CCA, sorry my mistake I should’ve checked first!

    Comment by Mel — October 8, 2005 @ 8:39 am

  19. Mandy, Moist and dense plus a dome… Its interesting, with cakes you don’t want a dome. Well, when you have one, you chop it off so your cake is flat. Cupcakes, however, look cute with a dome, don’t they. Hmmm, there is a lot to getting a dome and some recipes lend themselves more to it than others. I don’t really know the answer. Fill the cupcakes up high with batter will help, but you run the risk of overflow. So, its a balance. When I come across the perfect moist/domed/chocolate recipe. I will let you know!

    Mel, no worries! I haven’t taken the full on B&P program CCA, just weekend courses. I took a week long B&P bootcamp at CIA in St. Helena. That was fantastic. If I were to do a full program, I would definitely go there. The facilites were inpiring.

    Comment by chockylit — October 8, 2005 @ 1:05 pm

  20. Oh, Yael. It was by accident, the flower thingies. When I was preparing the post, I decided to use ordered (ul) and bumbered (ol) lists to clean it up a bit. In blogger they looked like the usual dots and numbers, but when I published the post, I got the flower things. Seems like it has to do with the style sheet of the template I use. I haven’t had time to look at it yet.

    Comment by chockylit — October 9, 2005 @ 10:31 am

  21. Where can you get Vanilla Bean?

    Comment by juno_star101 — January 18, 2006 @ 5:54 pm

  22. Hey, juno_star101, I normally get vanilla bean at Whole Foods. A great online alternative for vanilla bean and other exotic spices is Penzey’s, http://www.penzeys.com/.

    Comment by chockylit — January 18, 2006 @ 7:11 pm

  23. I followed your recipe for these red velvet cupcakes as it was very close to other red velvet recipes.
    What type of food coloring do you use? Powder, gel, grocery store liquid?
    I had some concentrated gel coloring and combined it liquid to make the amount needed.
    Don’t know if this was the best thing.

    Comment by kookoo kake — January 25, 2006 @ 8:55 am

  24. I used what I refered to as paste, but it is the concentrated gel… like the kind from Americolor. I didn’t dilute it. If they come out red enough for you, then I think that they are fine… That’s really all the food coloring is for.

    Comment by chockylit — January 25, 2006 @ 9:12 am

  25. I would love to make these for an upcoming Valentine’s Day tea that I am having. Could I make them mini? And if so, how would I go about doing that? Thanks! I absolutely ADORE your site!!!

    Love,
    Beth

    Comment by Anonymous — January 28, 2006 @ 11:56 am

  26. Beth, Minis are not a problem. Instructions are the same, but baking time is more like 12-15 minutes as opposed to 22-25 minutes for regular.

    Good luck!

    Comment by chockylit — January 30, 2006 @ 9:50 am

  27. chockylit, thank you for the wonderful recipes and pictures! This is a bit of a late comment, but I wanted to say that I made red velvet cupcakes a couple weeks ago and used your cream cheese frosting recipe.

    They froze most excellently and my sister and a visiting friend polished them off, straight from the freezer, this weekend.

    http://www.mekuno.net/archives/2006/03/cupcakes_and_a.htm

    Comment by faith — March 20, 2006 @ 3:22 pm

  28. I LOVE red velvet cake. i am baking for a birthday party this weekend and would love to know if u think this is worth me trying. I am just starting to bake. Have been using box mixes forever and want to start experimenting. What kind of butter do u recommend for baking?

    Comment by Tammy Nguyen — March 30, 2006 @ 1:08 am

  29. what is the weight of one package of gelatin, i love these cupcakes, so good!

    Comment by bakin — April 13, 2006 @ 10:21 pm

  30. one quarter of an ounce per packet.

    Comment by chockylit — April 13, 2006 @ 10:33 pm

  31. you are my hero, seriously. i am a cupcake novice, and everytime i have a question (if it doesn’t get answered effectively on flickr.com) i always come to your blog for answers. anytime i need a recipe, i always check here first. i will be baking these red velvets with my 14 yr old cousin next weekend. wish us luck!!

    Comment by howtoeatacupcake — June 3, 2007 @ 2:58 pm

  32. Do you use dutch processed cocoa powder? One last thing, do you think Wilton’s No-Taste Red Icing Color will work?

    PS: I sent you a message concerning this recipe on flickrmail.

    Comment by howtoeatacupcake — June 5, 2007 @ 10:08 am

  33. I don’t use dutch processed generally. I think Wilton’s icing color would work fine. Not sure how much to use compared to gel, but you should be able to eye ball it.

    Comment by chockylit — June 5, 2007 @ 10:18 am

  34. Those are beautiful and I’m looking for a good-tasting red velvet cake recipe!

    In the quantity of batter your recipe yields, how many cake pans do you think that would fill?

    Thanks!
    Chiffonade

    Comment by Chiffonade — December 13, 2007 @ 2:00 pm

  35. A friend of mine requested red velvet cupcakes for her birthday this year, and I made these. Your recipe was really solid and I appreciate all the notes you made about your experimentation. I also agree the red batter novelty isn’t really worth it, but my friend was thrilled.

    I’ve been challenging myself to make 50 new recipes a year and this was one of them. I loved making this, and thanks for posting the recipe.

    Comment by Julia — December 26, 2007 @ 2:37 pm

  36. First, I absolutely love your website–I just finished making the red velvet cupcakes and I was just double-checking the icing recipe before I make it. I always make cupcakes in batches of 24 or less–I was curious how you manage to cook 36 cupcakes at once. First, I was going to wait to cook the last 12 but then I figured I would be able to space it evenly in the oven and then move the trays around half way through baking–Now I wish I didn’t do that b/c a few ended up looking like your “baking soda only” cupcakes but I think that’s b/c I interrupted the baking process by opening the oven and moving them around. I’ve read that you should always rotate the pans halfway through baking–I don’t know if I’d recommend this. I also doubled the cocoa content to 1/2 cup–I agree that the cupcakes still don’t have a great flavor, I’m just making these for a friend’s birthday. I’m excited to make the frosting next…Thanks so much for publishing your efforts, I will be visiting your site often!!

    Comment by Rachael — January 6, 2008 @ 10:06 am

  37. Although I commented on your cupcakes previously, I was hoping someone would make them for my 49th birthday last week.

    I received hundreds of texts and e-mails and 37 phone calls – but I kept waiting for my mother’s annual call. She never called.

    But I did get a wonderful birthday gift from my new boyfriend “Big Bear”. My hirsute companion gave me a wonderful used cutting board. I could tell it was used because it had grease stains on it (but I’m sure he meant well).

    But hey, when you’re a fat, 49-year old Italian immigrant (who has been divorced four times), you have to hold on to whatever you can find.

    But, still . . . no cupcakes (or ANY cake for that matter).

    Comment by chiffOnade — January 25, 2008 @ 7:59 am

  38. I love your picture demonstration for the cupcakes (baking powder, baking soda, etc)
    And this recipe looks wonderful!

    Comment by Cindy — January 25, 2008 @ 9:30 am

  39. I was very impressed to read about your red velvet cupcakes. The detail in how your recipe came about, as well as the explanation of the baking powder and baking soda was great! I made your recipe last night, increasing the cocoa as you recommended. The flavor and texture were good, and the cream cheese frosting was tasty too! I’m looking forward to trying more of the cupcakes you have written about. Thanks for all the inspiration, and keep up the delicious recipes!

    Comment by Cara — January 27, 2008 @ 1:41 pm

  40. Do you mind if I use the top picture in a blog post about this recipe? I absolutely love your site and want to help spread the word. Thanks! :)

    Comment by Kelcie — March 7, 2008 @ 8:08 pm

  41. i am a red velvet cake lover, mostly due to childhood memories and the cream cheese icing i’m sure, but i found this recipe to be not very accurate. i felt the cake was to light and too dry, normally it is a much denser cake, these were almost healthy tasting. from the sound of things these really aren’t your thing, which believe me i get- i just know they’re probably a popular search on your site so i’m thought you might like to hear how it turned out for me.

    the icing however was A-MAZING. the best i’ve ever made.

    your site is fantastic, thanks for all the hard work.

    Comment by jessie — March 18, 2008 @ 7:26 pm

  42. I love red velvet cupcakes. I’ll definitely try your recipe and see how it goes!

    Comment by Kate B, Philippines — April 24, 2008 @ 8:32 am

  43. I am searching the red velvet cup cake recipe for my birthday in the next couple of days. RV cup cake is not too familiar in my country yet therefor I want to start it. Thanks for sharing the recipe and tips, I am gonna use it.

    Comment by Dewi Joris — May 19, 2008 @ 1:25 am

  44. my girlfriend absolutely loves cupcakes.
    her sister made a red velvet cake a while ago and it was delicious.

    i’m sure she will fall in love with this recipe when i give it to her.
    thank you.

    Comment by Kitchenaid Mixer 5 Qt Professional 475-Watts — May 19, 2008 @ 11:16 am

  45. Hi Its’ my fiance’s birthday today, and I made him your red velvet cupcakes last night. I 100% agree, i definitely doubled the cocoa and it made a world of difference (normally I dont think red velvet is so wonderful except for the frosting!!) but these were DELISH!. One question though, i made it with BS + Cream of Tartar. In reading your post initially you said in theory Baking powder would not be necessary and in the end you say ” In theory, you could use baking powder only, but I didn’t test that option.” –> Don’t you mean you could use Baking soday only??

    Comment by Ruthie — May 21, 2008 @ 7:01 am

  46. I love your cupcakes, they look so cute. I have yet to try to make them. Keep up the good work!

    Comment by Kindness Keong — December 2, 2009 @ 10:03 am

  47. I am again venturing into cupcakeland doing my research on red velvets. I have seen a couple recipes where the vinegar is added directly to the baking soda, allowing it to foam up, and then added as the very final ingredient/step. I wonder why that step would be advantageous as opposed to adding the dry in with the dry, the wet with the wet, etc. I tried a couple batches and got some darker, almost uncooked, patches on the tops of my cupcakes. The patches get a bit crunchy when they cool down. Not the most attractive looking blemishes, but, like make-up, my frosting can just cover them up.

    Comment by Carly — July 23, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

  48. hi dear im thinking of making red velvet for my colleagues on my last day as a parting gift but im not sure how long the cream cheese frosting can last without the fridge!

    would love for your advice, by the end of this week preferably! (: since im leaving nxt week…

    Comment by sharon — August 3, 2010 @ 10:29 pm

  49. I would say about 2 hours, but I have left cream cheese frosting out at work longer. Its usually fine if its not hot or anything.

    Comment by chockylit — August 4, 2010 @ 8:03 am

  50. I made the recipe today, in a 1/3 batch, with twice the amount of cocoa. I agree with another poster that it’s very light compared to your typical red velvet, though absolutely delicious- it has a delicate chocolate flavor, which is leaps and bounds better than the tasteless red velvet you find at most bakeries.
    I am, however, a little worried about frosting: I was planning on filling my cupcakes, and I’m anticipating problematic moistness and seepage issues. We’ll see how that goes.

    Comment by Kat — August 18, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

  51. Hi Cheryl,

    These look delicious! Just two question: for the 1/2 ounce red food coloring paste, can I substitute it for red food coloring gel, and will the amount stay the same? And I converted the 1/2 ounce to teaspoon and got 1/2 ounce = 3 tsp., does that sound about right to you?

    Thanks very much! And amazing job on these cupcakes!

    Comment by Katey — October 18, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

  52. I made these for the second time tonight. I must say this is a great recipe. I don’t like chocolate cake but the slight chocolate taste is perfect! I <3 you!

    Comment by Ashley — October 28, 2010 @ 5:43 pm

  53. Hi – Post #47 — my experience is the same; add the vinegar to the baking soda and add the ‘frothy’ combination. These two react and the ‘reaction’ is added — diluting the density of the mixture. I don’t think you would get the same affect adding dry ingredients to wet — however, I haven’t tried the alternative. I agree to earlier posts about doubling the chocolate; many r.v.c. are red and tasteless. More chocolate flavor is way better! Fabulous website; thank you so much for all of your diligent work! :)

    Comment by Patty — February 3, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

  54. Thanks a BILLION!! Even I compared so many recipes and couldn’t understand why they all differed regarding baking soda and baking powder! You’re awesome!! Thanks a lot =D

    Comment by Farheen — February 20, 2012 @ 7:43 am

  55. Thankyou so much for this, I’ve been baking for a little while, and it’s wonderful to finally look at the differences from different ingredients so I can really think about what I’m putting in the cakes. Thanks again, this blog is amazing!!

    Comment by Ash — April 19, 2012 @ 11:40 pm

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